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The Love Anyway podcast

pushes beyond fear, beyond the simple narrative of “us vs. them.” Travel with us as we explore how people are choosing to love, even when it means risking everything.

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Season 2 | Bonus: How 9/11 Changed Us

Preemptive Love founder Jeremy Courtney hosts a reflective episode featuring a diverse collection of memories and experiences about 9/11.

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What are mirrors and windows? And why are they important in our lives and the lives of our families? In our season two finale, we talk with Saira Siddiqui of Confessions of a Muslim Mom, along with Shawn Smucker, author of When We Were Strangers. (Show Notes)

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Join us for a candid conversation about talking to kids about race. Rapper and Preemptive Love's artist-in-residence Propaganda, and his wife, university professor Dr. Alma Zaragoza-Petty, share their experiences growing up as people of color, explore how they've talked about racism with their children, and speak into what they want white parents to know about humility and allyship. (Show Notes)

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How do we talk with children about very real, very scary topics like violence and war? Jessica and Jeremy Courtney talk about raising children in the midst of hard questions; clinical therapist Alyson Schafer talks about how essential it is to broach conversations around violence with openness and curiosity; and Preemptive Love staff Wendy Russ, walks us through what it was like to run for public office (and love her community well) as a parent in a small town. (Show Notes)

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How much should kids be involved in shaping our communities? Should we shield children from news about violence and war? In this episode, we attend a vigil with the Oestreich family, who believes community involvement is a core family value. (Show Notes)

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Immigration is a complicated topic, even for adults. Some of us are afraid to say the wrong thing. Others of us fear those who are different. How do we talk about immigration with family members? With kids? On this episode, we start by listening. (Show Notes)

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Can kids be peacemakers? Preemptive Love founders Jeremy and Jessica Courtney share how living in Iraq has influenced how they raise their kids. With host Erin Wilson, they explore the ways culture, technology, and war changed their perception of parenting—and invite us all to enter into difficult conversations with the young people in our lives. (Show Notes)

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In the trailer for season two of the Love Anyway podcast, host Erin Wilson and Preemptive Love founder Jeremy Courtney share why it’s important to enter into hard conversations with all kinds of people—including kids. (Show Notes)

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Get a behind-the-scenes look at the people and stories behind the Love Anyway podcast. Host Erin Wilson joins Ben Irwin, director of communications, for a casual conversation recapping season one with producer Kayla Craig. (Show Notes)